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A Read of Ice and Fire: A Dance With Dragons, Part 42

Welcome back to A Read of Ice and Fire! Please join me as I read and react, for the very first time, to George R.R. Martin’s epic fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire.

Today’s entry is Part 42 of A Dance With Dragons, in which we cover Chapter 70 (“The Queen’s Hand”).

Previous entries are located in the Index. The only spoilers in the post itself will be for the actual chapters covered and for the chapters previous to them. As for the comments, please note that the Powers That Be have provided you a lovely spoiler thread here on Tor.com. Any spoileriffic discussion should go there, where I won’t see it. Non-spoiler comments go below, in the comments to the post itself.

And now, the post!

 

Chapter 70: The Queen’s Hand

What Happens

It takes the Dornish prince three painful days to die, but at least the rain has temporarily subdued the dragons he let escape. Missandei, the only one with the stomach to tend him, asks Selmy what will be done with his body; he promises the prince will go home to Dorne, and tries not to wonder if his queen’s body is in similar condition somewhere in the Dothraki sea. He tells himself she is alive, but reluctantly remembers that her hair had been on fire when she rode away.

Skahaz comes to report that the council awaits the Hand’s pleasure. Selmy thinks to himself that he did not want this, but with Dany gone and Hizdahr under arrest, there was no one else he trusted to rule in their stead. Skahaz reports that Galazza has not yet returned from her diplomatic mission to the Yunkai’i. The city is locked down, but many highborn are howling for the restoration of Hizdahr and the slaying of the dragons, and the Sons of the Harpy have resumed their campaign of murder, killing almost thirty people in the last day alone. Selmy knows Skahaz wants him to retaliate by killing their hostages, and flatly refuses. Skahaz obliquely calls him “wrinkled and feeble.”

They go down to the petitioners’ hall, where Selmy has set up a round table, “where men might sit and talk as peers.” The council is joined by Strong Belwas, who is much diminished by the poison that nearly killed him but determined to regain his strength. Selmy refuses requests to reopen the fighting pits, pointing out that that will only inflame the dragons. Skahaz is contemptuous of Selmy’s hopes that Galazza will negotiate the return of their hostages from the Yunkai’i, and Selmy privately admits it is unlikely. He tells them that if the Yunkai’i refuse, then he intends to rain fire and blood on them, to shatter Hizdahr’s peace. This pronouncement appears to stun the others, but they join in as Selmy outlines his plan, hammering out the details. Selmy lets every man have his say. At the end, Symon Stripeback asks Selmy whether the dragons will come to the fight. Privately Selmy is sure they will, but is doubtful as to whether they will differentiate between the two sides. After the others have left, Grey Worm lingers to point out that the Yunkai’i will kill the hostages as soon as they attack, but Selmy tells him he has a “notion” to prevent that.

He goes to see Yronwood and Drinkwater in the dungeons to tell them Quentyn was dead. Ser Gerris wants to blame Daenerys for his prince’s death, but Selmy tells him Quentyn brought it on himself, and that in truth the prince was here for dragons for Dorne, not the queen. Selmy tells them he knows Quentyn offered the Tattered Prince Pentos in return for helping him with the dragons, and offers them a deal: if they deliver a message to the mercenary captain, he will send them back to Dorne with Quentyn’s bones. The message is that Selmy will give him Pentos if the Tattered Prince liberates their hostage from the Yunkai’i and delivers them back safely. The Dornish knights are skeptical of their chances of succeeding, but agree.

Later, Galazza finally returns and attends him in his chambers. She tells him the Yunkish masters want Hizdahr restored; Selmy tells her he will be once he is cleared of treason, but until then the council will rule. The Green Grace points out how her city is falling apart without its king, and opines that Hizdahr would never stoop to poison. She says the Yunkai lords will only return the hostages if the dragons are slain. She is sure Daenerys is dead, and urges him to have the dragons die with her. They are interrupted when Skahaz barges in to tell him that the Yunkish trebuchets have gone to work.

Galazza Galare rose. “Thus does Yunkai make reply to your offers, ser. I warned you that you would not like their answer.”

They choose war, then. So be it. Ser Barristan felt oddly relieved. War he understood. “If they think they will break Meereen by throwing stones—”

“Not stones.” The old woman’s voice was full of grief, of fear. “Corpses.”

Commentary

Ew.

Well, how very Mongolian of them. Nothing like a spot of pre-industrial biological warfare to brighten your day!

Meereen is just not having a good time these days, y’all.

Of course, by all accounts just about nobody anywhere is having a good time these days, but I feel like a year that includes conquests, Reconstruction (in the not-awesome American Civil War sense), terrorist insurrections, sort-of coup d’etats, sieges, plague, AND dragons might merit a special spike on the Not Having A Fabulous Time Meter. I’m just saying.

It’s even less fabulous when you consider that the Mongolian siege Martin is referencing here is generally considered to be what led to the Black Death spreading to Europe, and subsequently killing up to a third of its population. Dysentery may not be up to quite the level of biological disaster as bubonic plague, but I bet it’s plenty enough to kill a city. Good times!

[Skahaz, to Barristan:] “They want Hizdahr free and me dead, and they want you to slay these dragons. Someone told them knights were good at that.”

*snort*

Yeah, I’ve heard that rumor too. I’m gonna go ahead and doubt its veracity in this particular reality, though.

And speaking of stereotypical knighthood-type things: OMG, you guys, Ser Barristan has set up a round table. Because he doesn’t consider himself above anyone else there! YES, I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE, MARTIN. Clever.

So apparently we are going to be deconstructing Arthurian legend next. Not that ASOIAF hasn’t already done that in bits and pieces—unavoidable, really, considering how deeply the influences of Arthuriana are threaded through the entire genre of epic fantasy—but now we are evidently going to stick a big fat Post-It note on it, smelling faintly of hamsters and elderberries. In Barristan’s defense, at least he hasn’t had a watery tart throw a sword at him, not as far as I can recall, anyway, but given his general demeanor and provenance, the association was basically too blunt to miss at this point.

That said, I’ve always thought that Arthurian legend has generally always done a pretty good job of deconstructing itself. I mean, it’s not like the traditional story has a happy ending for Arthur or anything. So having this all end badly for Barristan wouldn’t actually subvert that particular set of tropes at all.

So… AH-HAH! I perceive the nefarious plan now! Obviously, the only thing for Martin to do here, therefore, is to have Barristan win everything, vanquish all his enemies, restore peace to the kingdom, and live happily ever after!

Yes. This is totally what’s going to happen. TOTALLY.

*nodnodnod*

Oh, shut up, I know it’s bullshit. I’m just being fruitlessly logical here, leave me alone.

Although, Barristan does appear to be doing a pretty good job of getting people to follow him thus far. Skahaz, for example, has been groaning and complaining about Selmy this whole time, but you’ll note he never once has actually failed to do what Barristan has told him to do. Same with the other council members. At least not yet. Or that we know of.

But, you know, it says something, I think. Barristan thinks to himself that Dany is the only reason all these contentious dudes are willing to work together, but she is probably not the only reason. Given enough time (assuming Barristan’s basic competence at leading them continues), their loyalties could in fact shift to him completely. I might be a little upset at that on Dany’s behalf, if I didn’t know that Barristan will instantly revert all power to Dany the second she shows up, and insist everyone else do the same, so ultimately it all works to Dany’s benefit regardless. At least I hope so.

In other news: Jesus, they let Quentyn live like that for three days? That is horrible. I can’t even imagine what kind of pain that must have been. Poor fucker didn’t even have morphine, God. You couldn’t have just smothered the poor kid and put him out of his misery, Selmy? Damn. (Although, shoutout to Missandei for having the guts to tend to such horrificness when everyone else Noped out. Girl’s got ovaries of steel, y’all, and she’s not even twelve yet. The world should take note.)

And speaking of burn victims, the little detail that Daenerys’ hair had been on fire as she flew off is a new one, I think, but it doesn’t necessarily worry me re: her survival as much as it does Barristan. Because, of course, I am privy to information he is not, which is that Dany has already literally walked through dragon-related fire and lived to tell about it. At least if I’m remembering that scene at the end of AGOT correctly, which I’m pretty sure I am. So, I am still (probably stupidly) optimistic about her survival, though I’m also pretty sure I’m not going to get to find out about it one way or the other before the end of this book.

And… well. Since this chapter was not nearly as traumatic as the last one (though you have to love that a chapter which includes extreme burn victims and the hurling of plague-riddled corpses qualifies as “not that traumatic,” comparatively), I considered going on, but then there’s no guarantee that the next chapter won’t be a million times worse, so I think we’ll err on the side of caution and stop here. It’s not like I’m in a hurry here, after all.


So this is our temporary stop on the ASOIAF Express of All Things Awful! Have a happy Halloween for those who celebrate such things, and I’ll see you back next Thursday for more!

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9 years ago

Its amazing how different this chapter reads depending on whether you think Hizdahr was behind the poisoning.  Is Barristan a clueless usurping pawn suffering the fate he killed for, or is he a righteous defender beset on every side?

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9 years ago

Am I the only one who can’t stand Galazza Galare and would like to see Selmy defenstrate her? 

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9 years ago

Poor Quentyn, doomed to be remembered by nicknames like Quentoast and BBQuentyn and phrases like “His eyes were pools of pus.” UGH. I identified more with that kid than many other ASOIAF characters in some ways, and he just wanted to live in peace. And yeah, I’m also miffed that the boneheads didn’t put him out of his misery.

Ha, farcical aquatic ceremonies are for Iron Islanders. 

In this hungry city, I expect people are upset by the danger the dragons pose and the masses of livestock being fed to them.

Skahaz called Barristan an “old woman’s hand” for refusing to kill children. Apparently nobody told him about Olenna killing Joffrey. 

 

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9 years ago

@2 I think GG is up to some seriously hinky shit, personally.  

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9 years ago

Poor fucker didn’t even have morphine

They do have “milk of the poppy” (presumably opium or similar) over in Westeros, but I don’t know whether they don’t have it in Meereen, or they just didn’t give him any (or they did and it wasn’t mentioned).

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Ragnarredbeard
9 years ago

IIRC, Danaerys’ hair also got burned off when she walked into the fire that gave birth to her dragons.  She may be fire resistant but her hair isn’t.

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JoffreyMyKing
9 years ago

About Quentyn’s suffering, as far as I know third degree burn victims usually have their nerve terminals destroyed, so they usually don’t feel any pain.

 

 

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9 years ago

Yeah, there isn’t much to say about this chapter.  Sucks all the way around, no matter what Selmy does.

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9 years ago

Hah, I completely missed (or forgot about) the round table. I’m totally on board with your Barristian Wins All theory :)

By the time GRRM gets around to finishing this series, ‘subverting’ the genre will have been the norm, so he’ll give us a happy ending to subvert the subversion! This all fitting in with his master plan and explaining why he’s taking a decade to finish the books :)

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Red Harren
9 years ago

@5

Could he eat or drink anything in his condition? Wouldn’t he drown?

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Tyler Soze
9 years ago

In this hungry city, I expect people are upset by the danger the dragons pose and the masses of livestock being fed to them.

That’s a very good point that I hadn’t thought about.  The obvious retort is “would you rather they eat you?”  But as folks’ kids begin to starve, I’d imagine that’ll have less impact.

About Quentyn’s suffering, as far as I know third degree burn victims usually have their nerve terminals destroyed, so they usually don’t feel any pain.

Yeah, not a doctor here or on TV, but I work for an org that is testing some next level burn treatment.  That’s consistent with what I’ve heard from real doctors.  Infection is the greatest danger for those types of patients.  With the lack of sterile . . . anything, I’m surprised it took him that long to die.

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o.m.
9 years ago

in 5, he got water and milk of poppy, that’s explicitly mentioned.

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a1ay
9 years ago

I’ve always thought that Arthurian legend has generally always done a pretty good job of deconstructing itself. I mean, it’s not like the traditional story has a happy ending for Arthur or anything.

It even has incest! (Arthur sleeps with his half-sister, Morgan; their child is Mordred.) And adulterous knights sleeping with queens (Lancelot and Guinevere). And tragic civil war (the Lothians against Lancelot’s faction). And so on…

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9 years ago

I thought the Besiegers were tossing the Hostage’s bodies over the wall in answer? 

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9 years ago

@14  thats how I always read it as well.

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tg12
9 years ago

I’ve always been a huge Barristan and Missandei fan, so I like to see their mutual admiration/respect society.  

I agree that Barristan would/will hand power back to Dany in a hot second; I don’t think he seeks it or likes it, or is likely to develop a taste for it.  I can see him making errors of judgment and being led astray (it’s practically a given, in fact, in this environment), but I do hope that Martin doesn’t go in for the “I must destroy everything you like about this seemingly admirable character” vis-a-vis future Barristan…

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Chinoiserie
9 years ago

Dany was paying for the livestock and even suspected people burned their own sheep just to get payed so I do not think that was a big issue.

 

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9 years ago

@@@@@ 14 & 15

I can answer that over on the spoiler page.

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David Hunt
9 years ago

@14  I think that after Hizdahr’s relatives were returned and they executed Admiral Groleo, there were about three hostages left, Daario and a couple of others.  I got the serious impression the flinging of corpses was much more intense than that.  I think Leigh is correct that this is Meereen’s enemies waging biological warfare by flinging the corpses of plague victims over the walls.

It also did not escape my notice that the Green Grace did not tell Barristan about the attack until it had started, even as she demonstrates that she knew exactly what they were going to do.  That does not seem to be the act of a friend.

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Admin
9 years ago

I love Barristan’s internal monologue in this chapter:

He should have stayed in Dorne. He should have stayed a frog. Not all men are meant to dance with dragons.

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Milk Steak
9 years ago

GG seems easily the best candidate for the Harpy. She works to kill the dragons, coordinate with the Yunkish, protect the hostages, get a puppet on the throne etc. Especially when you compare the contortions people go through to make the Shavepate a traitor it’s the likely story.Of course making the Shavepate pure villain is the only way to make it an Iraq metaphor instead of a reconstruction story so that’s the way people have to go.

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darrell ervine
9 years ago

@5

Missandei sat at the bedside. She had been with the prince night and day, tending to such needs as he could express, giving him water and milk of the poppy when he was strong enough to drink,

Martin, George R.R. (2011-07-12). A Dance with Dragons: A Song of Ice and Fire: Book Five (Kindle Locations 20341-20342). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

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9 years ago

@21, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they were both villains, though I agree GG is likely the Harpy.  Shavepate has his own motivations to see the Mereenese suffer, so I can see him too working to destabilize the peace.

9 years ago

I do hope all the people here calling for the Dorneish prince to be put out of his misery support assisted suicide.  They likely didn’t end his misery out of misplaced religious devotion.  So no speculation on what this will do to Dorn and the comment he came for the dragons and not the princess gets no mention?  Also I have toyed with the idea Baristain ends up setting up some sort of democracy with only a symbolic monarchy.  That would be an inversion of everything he has done so far and would be rather interesting.  

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9 years ago

Killing a guest prince, even mercy killing him, on foreign soil is likely to have repercussions. He’s already been outrageously mortally wounded on Mereen’s watch. ( Not to mention Missandei is an ex-slave and Barristan is trained to serve higher lords. If euthenasia of royalty entered their minds at all it would take longer than this.) Even if Dorne is not the most powerful state right now, and even if they did do euthenasia as a matter of course, it would be unlikely to be a snap choice after only three days.

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9 years ago

Dany was paying for the livestock and even suspected people burned their own sheep just to get payed so I do not think that was a big issue.

That was before her disappearance for the farmers out in the country. A city under siege when Dany is gone is a different matter. You cannot eat money.

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9 years ago

NEEDZ MOAR DRAGONS. ALSO, LANCES.

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9 years ago

I think we need a pool.  How many chapters before Barristan bites it?  He’s turning out to be such a nice, upright, sensible character.  He can’t possibly survive.

 

I’m in for 5 chapters from now. 

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9 years ago

@24, 25: Good point. Barristan evidently didn’t feel he had the authority to kill Quentyn as Cerslei did with Gregor (she was going to have him beheaded before Qyburn requested him for vivisection) or Dany with Drogo. And a prince’s death will undoubtedly have bigger repercussions for whoever Dorne ends up blaming. But unless he thought Quentyn might somehow survive, a discrete mercy killing wouldn’t have changed the outcome. And I do support assisted suicide for people in such cases, though he evidently didn’t request it. It’s good to know that he may have been in less pain than one would think, but it must still be a wretched experience — blind, paralyzed, much of his exterior basically gone, unable to eat and barely able to speak. 

@26: Right. And later she fed the captive dragons on livestock presumably purchased somewhere. But I don’t know where they’re getting the larger quantities now or if/what they’re paying, and in any case that a lot of meat (and milk and blood) which would’ve sustained humans if the damn dragons hadn’t been released. Who knows how long the supply can last in the current situation.

“Fire is a terrible way to die. Small wonder half the hells are full of flame.” I wonder what’s in the other hells.

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9 years ago

@28: I don’t know if need it, but a pool is certainly nice to have, when winter is coming and one can’t go to the beach…

@29: Ice and freezing cold weather? I remember one early medieval Anglo-Saxon Christian text (just a short snippet from a larger text) that I had at the university as illustrative examples of Old English literature – it was a description of hell. Typical medieval horror prose, as descriptions of hell tend to be, but one thing that made it stand out was that hell was not described as full of fire and brimstone – no fire was mentioned; instead, hell was described as a freezing cold, icy place. The comments made about the text were that it made sense for people who had come from the northern Europe, areas of very cold climate.

 

 

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9 years ago

@29 “I wonder what’s in the other hells.”

All Taylor Swift, all the time.

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9 years ago

Dante’s Inferno describes the inner circles of Hell as a frozen lake too. I was never sure if he had made that up himself or was just drawing from previous traditions…but it sounds like there was already a precedent for it.

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9 years ago

@31 – as the father of a teenage daughter who has been to multiple TS concerts, and himself has listened to mucho TS during long car drives, I wouldn’t put her in the “hell” category.  Far from it.   Heck, Ryan Adams respected her songwriting chops enough to do a cover album of her latest.  But, in any event, as Taylor would say, “Oh the haters gotta hate hate hate hate…Shake it off, shake it off….”   I forced to choose, I’d pick either Journey or REO Speedwagon. 

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9 years ago

re: hamsters and elderberries

How very… french of you.

 

re: watery tarts

I agree, that’s no basis for wielding supreme power. I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!

 

@@@@@11 Tyler Soze

re: time to join the Choir Invisible

Three days isn’t all that long for an infection to kill you. It’s not like it’s just suddenly there in full force. It would take at least a day to really set in, another day to spread and it would probably kill you on the third day at the earliest, even if it’s one you’d expect to catch in Westeros (vicious, merciless, gleefully killing all your loved ones and their puppies).

 

 

@@@@@29 AeronaGreenjoy

“I wonder what’s in the other hells.”

All we know is that a special one is full of child molesters and people who talk at the theater…

 

@@@@@25 Maac

re: mercy killing of the grievously wounded

This being Westeros I bet there have been a lot of those.

“We’re very sorry for the loss of your heir to the throne. But he had a splinter in his pinky. A splinter! We had to put him out of his misery! Surely you understand.”

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Athreeren
9 years ago

Stannis Baratheon had a fiery tart throw a sword at him. The fact that he has what passes for Lightbringer is supposedly enough to make him a king. The other claimants to the Iron Throne disagree…

@29: I’d say the other hells are ice. But there has to be seven hells, and ice must balance fire; so what’s in the fourth hell?

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Jory Cassel
9 years ago

No comment on Barristan’s thoughts on Aegon V/Egg? Really? *sigh*

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George
8 years ago

They did give him opium – milk of the poppy.

For unknown reasons both when reading chapter and when reading this recap I kept reading Missandei as Mellisandre =D

I don’t understand why Selmy THINKS Graces are dead, instead of ordering his messengers to go inside their temple and be sure.

If you’re not cruel enough to kill child hostages, then why not let them go free, especially if their presence changes nothing? You could kill parents, install children as successors and have your men as their lord protectors till children come of age.

Or if you don’t want any kind of blood, why not charge 10 or 100 golden coins for every dead soldier? 300 or even 3000 coins a day is much better blood price than 30.

And why SOTH are so good at killing? Aren’t new-founded forces decent enough at patrolling? Or are they attacked by groups of SOTH?

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Roxana
7 years ago

The other advantage to taking child hostages, even if you won’t kill them, is rearing them to be the kind of vassals you want. This was SOP procedure for Ancient Egyptian conquerors like Thutmose III, the result was vassal rulers who identified more with Egypt than their own folks. I’m sure we all see problems with that from the POV of said vassals’ subjects but it was a sweet deal from Pharaoh’s POV.

IMO Dany’s key mistake was leaving the old slaver families their wealth and power. Normally I’m against redistributing wealth on principle – that and the fact it seldom works out as advertised – but in this case it would have been wise and given the source of said wealth just.

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